Books As You Know It: The Truth About Books: Dreamless and Goddess by Josephine Angelini

Hey guys! Caitlyn here with our new discussion post The Truth About Books! In case you forgot, we'll be changing post titles every week between The Truth About Books and The Thing About Books!

Be warned though there ARE SPOILERS from the books we discuss!!!

This week we discussed.....

~Dreamless and Goddess by Josephine Angelini~

(its very scattered and all over the place...sorry but that's just how me and Taherah role)

Taherah Abbas

I absolutely LOVED Dreamless and Goddess by Josephine Angelini!

Caitlyn Crowe

I KNOW!!!!! I loved the plot line and how it followed the Illiad.

Taherah Abbas

I didn't even know that it followed it THAT much till later. I think it's cool that it did though!

Caitlyn Crowe

Well that's what I loved about Goddess how you started to see all the characters come forward and see who they were supposed to be (besides Helen and Lucas...that one was obvious).

Taherah Abbas

Oooh yes everything just came back full circle (well to an extent at least)

Caitlyn Crowe

Okay, but in dreamless I was so SO.....well not irritated but... heartbroken I mean it was obvious Helen and Lucas had to be together even just as friends they had to be in each others lives or they would spiral (which they did) and UGH I reread Starcrossed after Dreamless and I realized DAPHNE TOLD THEM A LIE AND THAT THEY WEREN'T COUSINS AND UH!!!!

Taherah Abbas

I kinda get Daphne...well not really. She's super annoying. Smart i'll give her that, but she just messed up everything.

Caitlyn Crowe

I know it was annoying how she thought she had to control and manipulate everyone like...no. And all their misery normally its just bad communication but damn this time it was all her fault!

Taherah Abbas

All just so she could get whats his face back! I mean seriously I get it in the beginning of what people would go through for love but its been YEARS. I don't want to be mean and say get over it but you may as well have just been a good mother. It's the least she could have done.

Caitlyn Crowe

Ajax

Taherah Abbas

Right sorry his name got lost in all the others

Caitlyn Crowe

I know!!! She messed up everyone else's lives and HELEN'S and she thought that somehow Helen would HELP HER when it was over!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!! Sweetie the world DOES NOT work that way!!! I get it he is the love of your life but DAMN!!!!!

Taherah Abbas

I just wish she did things differently. I mean I don't hate her because I know Helen would have done the same for Lucas

Caitlyn Crowe

Thats very true... but come on she could have just...asked. People do that sometimes. ANYWAYS we should talk about Dreamless before we get more into this.

Taherah Abbas

Dreamless was heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking

Caitlyn Crowe

I mean the entire time it was one big cry after another! You thought you had gotten over something like Helen not sleeping, or Hector being banished (I forget the word...), or HELEN AND LUCAS NOT TALKING AND ALWAYS FIGHTING AND AAAAHHHHH (I'm good now) but then it would just come back and slap you in the figgin face again!

Taherah Abbas

Hector=Outcast. And YES especially in the beginning when Lucas took his dad's advice and totally ignored and gave Helen the cold shoulder.

Caitlyn Crowe

Ugh and then the whole jealous/suspicious of Orion thing and Shadowmaster and robbing museums! I mean DAMN Lucas!

Taherah Abbas

grins sheepishly I thought it was kinda funny when everyone found out who Orion was plus you know him being compared to Adonis was hilarious. Lucas was soooo close to hurting something :)

Caitlyn Crowe

starts laughing uncontrollably OMG THAT WAS THE BEST!!!!!!!! HOLY CRAP I thought Lucas might actually kill Orion!!! XD OH and when Helen saw them in the vision cracks up ooh my gosh that was funny!

Taherah Abbas

DUDE and when she and Orion would text and she would laugh and Ari was like who was that? sigh Loved those moments

Caitlyn Crowe

Oh those were good too and how no one believed he was a good guy! Like JEEZ he goes through friggin hell with her! How bad can he really be??

Taherah Abbas

.__. That was annoying, Like sheeesh they made the tyrant seem like such a bad person

Caitlyn Crowe

RIGHT!?!?! AND WHEN I FIGURED OUT IT WAS HELEN I WAS LIKE "ASSFHKSKMDNHJAHVDHAKBA" Whyyyyy it was sooooo meannnnnnn and then Claire and Matt and Ari and I was like NO because HECTOR AND dies in a puddle of tears and emotion

Taherah Abbas

shaky voice Claire's betrayal hurt the most. She drove a knife through my heart. Then there's Hector tries to control tears who is my favorite character. The character I admired and adored the most. It's just too much

Caitlyn Crowe

I KNOW!!!!!! I even KNEW it was coming and I STILL DIED!!!! AND THEN when Lucas traded himself because he didn't think Helen LOVED HIM AND NOOOOO

Taherah Abbas
What Lucas did? Incredibly selfless and stupid. Thats the one loose end I want to see cut

Caitlyn Crowe
It was tragic and idiotic and I mean seriously Lucas? But I loved the way Helen got him out of it XD

Taherah Abbas

Lol yeah ;) Helen's gift of creating worlds is super cool too

Caitlyn Crowe

I know!!! Totally was not expecting that and the fact that Hades had been training then was awesome!!! Usually Hades is the bad guy but this time not even! Hades is AWESOME

Taherah Abbas

Hades is the bomb. He actually usually is in other books

Caitlyn Crowe

OOO yes like in that scene where Helen goes down (with Lucas's help big grin) and asks to be let in after being kicked out for saying they would free Persephone!

Taherah Abbas

kinda remembers scene not really

Caitlyn Crowe

Umm its right after Orion and Helen get kicked out after talking to Persephone and Helen then figures out that it was Lucas who robbed the museum and distracted Ares and he gives her the obol and she goes down and meets Morpheus and then goes under the tree of nightmares to talk to Hades and she realizes he looks like Orion or something and that Hades is really compassionate

Taherah Abbas

THIS IS DREAMLESS?

Caitlyn Crowe

yeeeesss????

Taherah Abbas

Oooh that explains why I don't remember much. I need to reread that book

Caitlyn Crowe

You should, I'll let you borrow it later

Taherah Abbas

K though the one thing that irritated me during Goddess was when it became known Helen was the Tyrant and Lucas got hurt and then she took him to her world and they just stayed there! People were getting worried! It didn't help at all that Tyrant was supposed to be bad and Helen didn't even think about actually showing everyone that he was safe. It was annoying >.<

Caitlyn Crowe

Yeah but it was kinda a needed break from all the drama. I hate how once everyone figured out Helen was the Tyrant NO ONE but Orion, Cassie, Lucas, and Hector wanted to stand by her side! I mean seriously! She didn't change at all and yet they still judged her on something she couldn't control!! What the HELL!!!!

Taherah Abbas

RIGHT?! I do understand Noelle's worry though considering everything. A break might have been needed but I do feel like Helen should have taken the time to explain everything earlier than she did in the book

Caitlyn Crowe

I think Helen should have made it so time didn't pass and people shouldn't have assumed so much about her from a half destroyed prophecy that has proven to not be entirely accurate

Taherah Abbas

That I approve of

Caitlyn Crowe

oh god though, when Lucas died I was so damn heartbroken (well he didn't die but still)

Taherah Abbas

In the Helen is Tyrant scene?

Caitlyn Crowe

nods

Taherah Abbas

Is it bad that I my heart didn't quite break as much as it did for Hector?

Caitlyn Crowe

No it definitely broke more for Hector because....Hector

Taherah Abbas

That is a YA fictional death I will NEVER forget. I was basically on the verge of tears

Caitlyn Crowe

Me too and with what's her name?? The siren girl! Oh I felt so bad!!!

Taherah Abbas

ANDIE! Let's talk about her! And yes omg it was so sad!!! They should have fallen in love (they kinda already were), get married, have little Hectors running around. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO CUTE

Caitlyn Crowe

OMG I WANT A LITTLE HECTOR WHERE CAN I BUY ONE!!!!!!

Taherah Abbas

The surf shop?

Caitlyn Crowe

????

Taherah Abbas

Hector loves water. Thats the only place I could think of

Caitlyn Crowe

...moving on....Andie is adorable I was so sad when Hector saw her and was like INSTALOVE and she was like "stay the f away from me you creep"

Taherah Abbas

Lol I kinda found it hilarious (on Hector's part. I understand why Andie was like that) :) Though I totally ship them

Caitlyn Crowe

YES!!!!!!!!! Omg you know who I ship sosososososoooo much???

Taherah Abbas

WHO? never mind I know the answer to that...

Caitlyn Crowe

ORION AND CASSANDRA

Taherah Abbas

Thought so :P

Caitlyn Crowe

Taherah Abbas

And I don't ship them as much. Don't get me wrong they're cute and all but age difference has always been a thing that really downgraded a ship like Dimitri and Rose

Caitlyn Crowe

...yeah well age is just a number :P plus its NOT like Dimitri and Rose, they are only like 3 or 4 years apart

Taherah Abbas

5-6 years. Adrian and her were 3 years so I was cool with them

Caitlyn Crowe

umm I'm talking Orion and Cassie not Dimitri and Rose....that one was kinda...much

Taherah Abbas

Right sorry! How old is he anyways?

Caitlyn Crowe

Isn't he like the same age as Helen and Lucas?? Like 17 or so??

Taherah Abbas

I have no idea...oh well...but yeah they do make a cute couple. I really liked the way Goddess ended and how everything cooled down.